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Distorted Reverb - Fix or Replace?

Restored an early 210 Sixty Five (with 12AX7 PI), all working except reverb is harsh and distorted sounding. Anyone know a fix, or should I just replace the tank? I think the one in there now is original, but if not...have we determined what tank is the correct replacement - 4FB3A1B or 8 or 9BB2A1B?

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Ewan Milne Tytler
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Music Man 110RD fifty
Music Man 112RD sixty-five
Two OLP MM4 Silhouettes with Lace Sensors

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Emtytler Tue, 11/12/2019 - 04:42

I have replaced the reverb tanks on most of my Music Man amps with MOD brand tanks from Amplified parts. If you have the original tank the code should be stamped on it. The difference is night and day.

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Ian Azrikan

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inertian Thu, 11/14/2019 - 09:48

So is the 4FB3A1B the correct tank for a 210 Sixty-five?

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Ian Azrikan

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inertian Tue, 11/19/2019 - 07:15

Received and installed the new MOD 4FB3A1B tank last night, it is indeed the correct tank for the Sixty-Five amp. Looks to be solidly built, and sounds great at all settings. No harshness, no-over-the top sproing, just plenty of warm reverb wash. Highly recommended.

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Ewan Milne Tytler
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Music Man 110RD fifty
Music Man 112RD sixty-five
Two OLP MM4 Silhouettes with Lace Sensors

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Emtytler Tue, 11/19/2019 - 14:07

Hi! Great to hear that it worked for you. The MOD tanks sound great in my own amps. I wasn’t sure if the 4FB3A1B was correct for the 210 sixty-five with the 12AX7 and 6CA7 tubes. It is the correct one for the RD/RP 65/100 series but is wrong for the RD50 series.

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Ian Azrikan

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inertian Thu, 11/21/2019 - 09:42

In reply to by Emtytler

The RD50 uses a 8BB2A1B tank, the MOD unit is very nice.

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Ewan Milne Tytler
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Music Man 110RD fifty
Music Man 112RD sixty-five
Two OLP MM4 Silhouettes with Lace Sensors

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6 years 9 months

Emtytler Fri, 11/22/2019 - 04:24

In reply to by inertian

Yes, you are correct the RD50 uses the 8BB2A1B and I still have the original tank in my 110RD fifty. It’s a medium delay, I have experimented with a long delay 8BB3A1B, I could not get that exact MOD tank so I bought a 8BB3C1B and with a little soldering I grounded the input to make it a 8BB3A1B. It sounded really good but I have yet to put it in the combo for long term use. FYI the unmodified 8BB3C1B hums loudly in the RD50 due to the incorrect grounding.

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Ewan Milne Tytler
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Music Man 110RD fifty
Music Man 112RD sixty-five
Two OLP MM4 Silhouettes with Lace Sensors

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Emtytler Fri, 11/22/2019 - 08:09

In reply to by inertian

I tend to agree. I personally love the sound of the factory medium delay 8BB2A1B reverb.

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Ian Azrikan

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inertian Fri, 11/22/2019 - 11:34

In reply to by Emtytler

I'd say roughly half of the RD50s I come across have weak or bad reverb tanks. Always keep a few spare tanks around for that reason...

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Ewan Milne Tytler
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Music Man 110RD fifty
Music Man 112RD sixty-five
Two OLP MM4 Silhouettes with Lace Sensors

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6 years 9 months

Emtytler Fri, 11/22/2019 - 08:34

In reply to by Emtytler

Earlier this year I bought a “barn find” RD100 head (1981, 6L6 tubes) missing the reverb tank. The screw holes in the cabinet matched a short tank so I decided to fit a MOD 8FB3A1B tank. I found that this tank was also not available so I got a 8FB3C1B tank and grounded the input jack again with a little soldering. The short-tank long delay tank worked beautifully with the RD100 head. This is a viable alternative to the longer 4FB3A1B tank if the original had a short tank.

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Ian Azrikan

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inertian Fri, 11/22/2019 - 11:16

In reply to by Emtytler

My friends accuse me of running a Home for Wayward Amps and Guitars...and they may not be wrong!

Picked up a nasty, beat-up, dead HD 130 Reverb head a few years back, transformer wires disconnected, no tubes, a real mess.

Turned out someone had removed the insulating board under the main circuit board, so it would short out immediately on power up!

Made a new insulating board, recapped, changed some out of spec components, and retubed. It biased right up and sounded great. Did a full cosmetic cleanup including new repro logo badges from a member of this site.

Came out pretty good I think...

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Mike Griffin
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mgriffin155 Fri, 11/22/2019 - 17:11

In reply to by inertian

Good job! -mgriffin

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Bill Moore

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bill_moore Fri, 11/22/2019 - 08:00

A while back I fabricated some cables from a roll of exposed shield wire that I bought to have "correct" wiring in a Fender amp build. The cables were for a SS amp with, (I later found out), 1 side grounded, and the other lifted. I had to insulate the one cable!